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Can't decide on custom for Orion
« on: February 21, 2019, 08:16:12 PM »

Here are the options I have for customizing my Orion. I can't go any higher on BV. Feel free to put your 2 cents in for which one you would choose. I will probably make my final choice Friday night.


Orion ON1-MAxG
Mass: 75 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Battle Value: 1,663
Armament:
    1  LRM-15 w/ Artemis IV FCS
    1  LB 10-X AC
    1  SRM-6 w/ Artemis IV FCS
    2  Medium Lasers
    1  Guardian ECM Suite
    1  Searchlight

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
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Internal Structure: Standard                     114 points                7.50
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             300                       9.50
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 4 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT                                         4.00
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             11(22)                    1.00
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 224                 14.00
    CASE Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT                                             1.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     23           36       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  9         
                                           L/R Torso     16           24       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  8         
                                             L/R Arm     12           24       
                                             L/R Leg     16           29       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Searchlight                                  HD        0         1         0.50
Guardian ECM Suite                           CT        0         2         1.50
SRM-6                                        RT        4         2         3.00
    Artemis IV FCS                           RT        -         1         1.00
LRM-15                                       LT        5         3         7.00
    Artemis IV FCS                           LT        -         1         1.00
LB 10-X AC                                   RA        2         6        11.00
2 Medium Lasers                              LA        6         2         2.00
@LB 10-X (Slug) (10)                         RT        -         1         1.00
@LB 10-X (Cluster) (10)                      RT        -         1         1.00
@SRM-6 (Artemis) (15)                        RT        -         1         1.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (16)                       LT        -         2         2.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 14
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Orion ON1-MAx

Mass: 75 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Battle Value: 1,669
Armament:
    1  LRM-15 w/ Artemis IV FCS
    1  LB 10-X AC
    1  SRM-6 w/ Artemis IV FCS
    3  Medium Lasers
    1  Small Pulse Laser


================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                     114 points                7.50
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             300                       9.50
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6
    Jumping MP: 4 Standard
    Jump Jet Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT                                         4.00
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             11(22)                    1.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA    R: SH+UA+LA
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 224                 14.00
    CASE Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT                                             1.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     23           36       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  9         
                                           L/R Torso     16           24       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  8         
                                             L/R Arm     12           24       
                                             L/R Leg     16           29       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Small Pulse Laser                            CT        2         1         1.00
SRM-6                                        RT        4         2         3.00
    Artemis IV FCS                           RT        -         1         1.00
LRM-15                                       LT        5         3         7.00
    Artemis IV FCS                           LT        -         1         1.00
LB 10-X AC                                   RA        2         6        11.00
3 Medium Lasers                              LA        9         3         3.00
@LB 10-X (Slug) (10)                         RT        -         1         1.00
@LB 10-X (Cluster) (10)                      RT        -         1         1.00
@SRM-6 (Artemis) (15)                        RT        -         1         1.00
@LRM-15 (Artemis) (16)                       LT        -         2         2.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 15

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Orion ON1-MDx1

Mass: 75 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Battle Value: 1,668
Armament:
    2  LB 10-X ACs
    2  Medium Lasers
    1  SRM-4
    1  Searchlight
    1  Guardian ECM Suite
Manufacturer: Unknown
    Primary Factory: Unknown
Communications System: Unknown
Targeting and Tracking System: Unknown

================================================================================
Equipment           Type                         Rating                   Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard                     114 points                7.50
Engine:             XL Fusion Engine             300                       9.50
    Walking MP: 4
    Running MP: 6 (8)
    Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks:         Double Heat Sink             10(20)                    0.00
Gyro:               Standard                                               3.00
Cockpit:            Standard                                               3.00
    Actuators:      L: SH+UA+LA    R: SH+UA+LA
Armor:              Standard Armor               AV - 224                 14.00
    CASE Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT                                             1.00

                                                      Internal       Armor     
                                                      Structure      Factor     
                                                Head     3            9         
                                        Center Torso     23           35       
                                 Center Torso (rear)                  10       
                                           L/R Torso     16           22       
                                    L/R Torso (rear)                  10       
                                             L/R Arm     12           21       
                                             L/R Leg     16           32       

================================================================================
Equipment                                 Location    Heat    Critical    Mass 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Searchlight                                  HD        0         1         0.50
MASC                                         RT        -         4         4.00
SRM-4                                        LT        3         1         2.00
Guardian ECM Suite                           LT        0         2         1.50
LB 10-X AC                                   RA        2         6        11.00
Medium Laser                                 RA        3         1         1.00
Medium Laser                                 LA        3         1         1.00
LB 10-X AC                                   LA        2         6        11.00
@LB 10-X (Slug) (10)                         RT        -         1         1.00
@LB 10-X (Cluster) (10)                      RT        -         1         1.00
@LB 10-X (Slug) (10)                         LT        -         1         1.00
@LB 10-X (Cluster) (10)                      LT        -         1         1.00
@SRM-4 (25)                                  LT        -         1         1.00
                                            Free Critical Slots: 14








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Re: Can't decide on custom for Orion
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2019, 08:17:45 PM »

Unfortunately, the 3rd option will have to be put on hold since you need a factory to install MASC anyway.
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Re: Can't decide on custom for Orion
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2019, 09:02:34 PM »

Did it already have the XL engine?  Also, what’s the difference between options 1 and 2?  ECM In 1, extra ML in 2, but then there’s a half ton I’m missing somewhere.
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Re: Can't decide on custom for Orion
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2019, 09:11:10 PM »

Then there were only 2 :). Already had xl. To have ECM, left off 1 med laser and sm pulse, added searchlight for other half ton.
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Re: Can't decide on custom for Orion
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2019, 09:13:23 PM »

When I was debating on what to do with it I went with 2 lrm15 2-3 tons ammo 3 ml 10x with 2 tons ammo 4/6/4

2 lrm15 gives a fairly good clustering on average missile rolls
the 10x bringing in even more crit chances at range
the ml give extra damage to try and force psr once the lrms run dry

the lrm bins run dry by turn 8-12 while still having plenty of 10x ammo for either type depending on the usage pattern

that would be my build

could also swap in another ml flamer or dhs if taking only 2 tons ammo for lrm15

it becomes fairly hefty on bv but still reasonable would be a worth while unit to bring especially since all the ammo is cased and you can try to run the bins dry by the time you get to 8 turns of taping the trigger down for the lrms
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Re: Can't decide on custom for Orion
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2019, 11:40:00 PM »

I think an important question is how much the pilot and abilities are going to be factored into the design. If you go with diverse weapons, the Weapon Specialist SPA becomes much less useful. Going Melee Specialist & Master would argue for weapons without minimum range. Does the pilot you are going to use in the mech have any SPAs now?

As a general consideration, I would go with the twin LB-10X configuration on the premise that you can hit hard in 10 point groups or go cluster as desired. You also get around the minimum range issue and won't have IS vs. Clan issues in a mirror match. Get the Sandblaster SPA to make it really shine. Just get in the habit of bringing a box of death.
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Re: Can't decide on custom for Orion
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2019, 12:14:27 AM »

I think an important question is how much the pilot and abilities are going to be factored into the design. If you go with diverse weapons, the Weapon Specialist SPA becomes much less useful. Going Melee Specialist & Master would argue for weapons without minimum range. Does the pilot you are going to use in the mech have any SPAs now?

As a general consideration, I would go with the twin LB-10X configuration on the premise that you can hit hard in 10 point groups or go cluster as desired. You also get around the minimum range issue and won't have IS vs. Clan issues in a mirror match. Get the Sandblaster SPA to make it really shine. Just get in the habit of bringing a box of death.

that is another good arguement
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Re: Can't decide on custom for Orion
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2019, 04:05:51 AM »

If I use my commander his SPA's are Jumping Jack, Envr Spec woods, Envr Spec mountain, Marksman, and Sniper. All my other pilots have Envr Spec woods, Envr Spec mountain and at least one will spend 10 xp to be classified to for heavy mechs in addition to their med mech class because I also have a Thunderbolt as well.

If MASC can only be installed in factory then the twin LB 10x with MASC will swap the MASC for 4 jump jets. Also could remove ECM, and swap SRM 4 for SRM 6 artimis.

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Re: Can't decide on custom for Orion
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2019, 08:31:27 AM »

I would go with jump over masc anyway at 4/6 speeds, it is just more useful. at 5/8 or higher, masc looks better. The maneuverability improvement due to jump is just so much higher at low speeds.
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