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Re: Battletech Kickstarter opened today! CLAN INVASION box
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2019, 08:33:05 PM »

True. They haven't charged yet until the 17th of august
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter opened today! CLAN INVASION box
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2019, 08:44:43 PM »

Unless some real crazy crap goes down, they will certainly break 30k, so that part is basically secure.
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter opened today! CLAN INVASION box
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2019, 12:29:31 AM »

Well for obvious reasons I'm pretty fiscally locked down for the next several months so I'm relying on pity as usual or if someone will let me buy one off them.
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« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2019, 06:59:16 AM »

They keep adding more mech packs. Guess I am going to have to burn more for this project.
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter opened today! CLAN INVASION box
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2019, 11:00:37 AM »

Looks like pledging is tapering off. It will be interesting to see where the final total is. Currently at $700k. What are the over/unders for the final total?

I expect about $915k. Thoughts?
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« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2019, 07:29:45 AM »

All I know is I'm going to go broke on just dice alone
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« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2019, 08:30:06 AM »

Looks like pledging is tapering off. It will be interesting to see where the final total is. Currently at $700k. What are the over/unders for the final total?

I expect about $915k. Thoughts?

I've always heard the three first three days and the last three days are the majority of pledges.  I think they'll hit about 1.6 mil.
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter opened today! CLAN INVASION box
« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2019, 07:10:54 PM »

For those not buying this, I will give one mech to each of you for free ( I know its a ways out when it ships, but its fine). Any extra will cost 5 dollars per mech. Any items (dice, coins, etc), just pay to me on the date of the 17th (I can put my order in and make sure those who want something can see me put order in).
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« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2019, 08:52:32 PM »

However, I will not accept any from the actual box set (do not intend on buying more than 1), unless I somehow get it from one of the salvage boxes by chance.
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« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2019, 12:18:40 AM »

Co-star and FRR dice!  Curse you!
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter opened today! CLAN INVASION box
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2019, 10:49:37 PM »

Looks like pledging is tapering off. It will be interesting to see where the final total is. Currently at $700k. What are the over/unders for the final total?

I expect about $915k. Thoughts?

I've always heard the three first three days and the last three days are the majority of pledges.  I think they'll hit about 1.6 mil.
Well, I was obviously wrong since they are over $969k now.
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter opened today! CLAN INVASION box
« Reply #26 on: July 24, 2019, 09:52:27 AM »

Looks like pledging is tapering off. It will be interesting to see where the final total is. Currently at $700k. What are the over/unders for the final total?

I expect about $915k. Thoughts?

I've always heard the three first three days and the last three days are the majority of pledges.  I think they'll hit about 1.6 mil.
Well, I was obviously wrong since they are over $969k now.

~700k after the first 2 days projects out to roughly 1.25 million over 30 days if there is no end-of-cycle marketing campaign in place. 

If there *IS* an effective marketing campaign in place, ~700k after the first 2 days projects to somewhere around 1.8-2 million.  Basically, when there's an end-of-cycle marketing campaign in place, you usually get a spike roughly equivalent to your first 2-3 days.  That would mean a second 700k spike, or thereabouts, creating ~1.4 million on both combined ends, and a few hundred K in the middle.  The technical term for this - there actually is one - is the "half-pipe" effect.  Witness:



And for what it's worth, between all the damage to the house and Eli's cancer testing (came back benign thank fucking christ) not being covered by insurance, I don't think I'm going to be able to back this.  Maria and I are still going to GenCon for super-cheap, because we've got free tickets and free housing and we need the damn vacation, but we're doing that knowing that we should really be spending the money on the house.  There's nothing left to back the KS with.  I had planned for Star Colonel pledge level, but the oncology payment just completely wiped out my "fun" money for pretty much the rest of the calendar year.
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter opened today! CLAN INVASION box
« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2019, 01:54:17 PM »

Bit of a long read, and likely should have had it's own thread, but w/e. No TL;DR provided, read it or don't.  :P

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Wow, so when this started, I wondered what it all meant for IWM. But then I thought, well, more players means more people looking for those mechs that can only be bought in metal, so that's good. Plus, there were a few IWM inclusions such as the museum scale mechs and the dropship, although I question whether or not they make much on those.

Then the KS grew, and grew, and grew; and with each new 100k tier unlocked there were MORE plastic mechs being promised. I was genuinely surprised by this. CGL has found a producer they can work with for plastic molds, and they seem confident they can deliver not just for the kickstarter, but for lance packs as well. Actual marketable materials for store shelves!

This game is about to experience the highest rate of growth it ever has. People who have never played the game are picking up the boxed sets at conventions already, and CGL is actually capitalizing on that success with a well-timed push into a 3rd box set and appropriate lance packs. People WANT games with mechs, everything from Scythe to Infinity includes them. They've wanted games with mechs at least since the movie Alien came out, and likely before that (the actual history of mecha in fiction goes back to the mid-1800's!).

So, again, where does that leave IWM? CGL appears to have suddenly found the rudder missing from their ship for years (decades?), which is fantastic. But they've now promised to produce 90'ish mechs in plastic so far. Not to mention the mechs they're already producing for the AGoAC box.

These mechs represent the most popular designs of all time, some are even resculpts of long-awaited unseen designs, and all have been updated to reflect a more modern futuristic aesthetic. It's entirely conceivable that plenty of new players could hop into the game, play for years in full campaigns, and never need to purchase metal mechs. Considering how nice the new plastics look, plenty of existing tenured players may make the same decision.

I'm not necessarily worried about IWM surviving as a business. That's on them, any business has to protect their interests and grow with the times. I'm curious about how this came to be, I was under the impression that IWM held an exclusivity contract for miniatures and the exception was only for boxed sets (of course, CGL did "lance packs" a few years ago for Alpha Strike, but those minis were not much of a temptation, quality-wise).

Does this KS reflect a change in the status quo? Is there, in fact, no contract in place other than granting IWM exclusivity for metal miniatures only? If that's the case, as a consumer and fan, I'll throw this out there... Buy Your Metal Miniatures While You Still Can.

If these new plastics consume a significant portion of the buying public's mech dollars (and I believe they will), IWM will have to take a very meaningful look at how long they can afford to support a line that accounts for 40% (my guess) of their warehouse space. It's possible that some of the more ambitious modelers/painters who join BT will search out these minis, and that might compensate for some sales lost to plastic. But that will only be a small offset.

It's a sobering thought, as BT experiences a rebirth, we may also be seeing the end of an era.
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Re: Battletech Kickstarter opened today! CLAN INVASION box
« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2019, 03:38:12 PM »

Same blurb as above

Read or dont read its debate material


Well said and I can agree this possibly could be the loss of metal minis for us all. The secondary market will become crazy if this ends up as the case.

What's not to stop them from getting the new molds and going about as they always have though? It could be possible that they have something in place for such a thing. They can sell the new molds as individuals at say 10-12 bucks which isnt much more of an offset if not the same price as now with better molds and detail. I mean plastic does break a lot easier and is not replaceable as far as parts go like the metals. They still have a market and if the metal molds could be that detailed then hell I would splurge occasionally for some of the metals vs the plastics. The feel is better and you get better return on investment when painting as you dont really have to be that careful with what you use to strip them with.

Idk I would hate to see them toss IWM out. They have been part of the universe for years if not nearly the beginning. They are generally good people as far as I know but I dont know them all on a personal every day level. I have never had an issue with them when I have been there.
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« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2019, 10:59:03 PM »

Key points to consider
1. The lawsuit termination with prejudice didn't include IWM, so the HG bastards can go after IWM still. But not if they are supplying CGL and CGL is doing the sales.
2. The digital artists are making the 3D models sectionable for casting this time, so IWM can make new molds for the mechs.

I should also add that IWM does a lot of contract casting, particularly for _____-opoly games. So while BT takes up a lot of their warehouse space, it isn't the end all be all of their sales.
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