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[Ice]

anyone else want to chime in

im kind of not liking any of them

[Timberwolfd]

I'll let people mull it over and check in tomorrow.

[Darrian Wolffe]

anyone else want to chime in

im kind of liking the planetary but not so much so more than others so need good talking points for the 3 better ones

Trying an impartial analysis and trying HARD to avoid player/GM conflict of interest here.

PUMA SHIELD
We can probably get Liasion command out of this, and B-rated Drac OPFOR offers decent salvage potential, as does a 50% rating.  No BLC sucks, and moreover, we're going to be stuck in the same place for a darn long time, and there's no factory on that world.  The danger is that there's simply no attack during our time there, in which case we get no salvage at all.

RINGFIRE
I'm down for cadre missions (and in fact any missions which reward people for spending XP on things other the Gunnery Increase and Jumping Jack), but this is a pretty crappy world to try it out in.  Rahne is a total shithole, frankly, and the weather conditions are going to make fights...unpleasant.  That said, a Regular/C opponent makes this a pretty safe bet, and at least the salvage is negotiable on this mission, and if we use all our negotiation on other stuff, 75% transport is good coverage.

WATERFALL
Adjusted to 40% salvage, this becomes tenable.  Again, Veteran/B opponents mean decent salvage that's more than just Panthers, and there's reasonable BLC.  The big dangers on this one are the combination of getting outmassed (because planetary assaults give a bonus to the OPFOR for that), and the fact that its a WATER world, mostly.  Expect intimate familiarity with Breach Checks.  Who wants to run a Recon Raid mission while in Depth 2 water?

FIRMIR
The planet in question doesn't actually matter yet.  The big draw on this is that, if we get attacked, any salvage we get comes off the FedCom RATs, which are *really* nice.  However, it's only 30% salvage and it's non-negotiable, though the BLC is downright excellent.  Unbiased commentary or not, my PC does have Stigma/anti-FRR, so I'd vote against this mission on general principles.  Plus, the FRR are generally just dicks to mercs in general.

SAFECRACKER
This takes us away from the center of the IS, which was a unit goal at one point. Slightly decent salvage, and slightly decent BLC, the main draw here is the theoretical quality of salvage from the OPFOR (A-rated)...though it's Capellan gear, which is basically like C-rated FedCom gear.  If it's the Death Commandos we're up against (and this IS the St Ives primary treasury, and these ARE Elite-rated opponents), then they pull units off of *any* RAT, so that's worth pointing out.  Security duty is also somewhat easier to lose, because most missions will have you defending either fixed points or board edges, and the margin for error is low.  If salvage was negotiated higher, this can be a very high reward mission, but elite pilots are going to be a serious problem.

As GM, I don't really get a vote so I'm not pushing any of them in particular, with the exception of my PC's Stigma-driven disdain for the filthy Wrasslehog plebes.  Nobody likes Dracula capes anyway.

[Timberwolfd]

Contract or wait?

[Hat]

I was thinking this was another "wait until August..."

For reference, the "average" contract is House Command, ~45% Transport Reimbursement, ~25% salvage, and either 0% Straight Support/30% BLC, or 100% Straight Support and 10% BLC.

Your Dragoons rating has a weighted and randomized effect, and the type of mission also has an effect.  Salvage and BLC are higher on Planetary Assault contacts, for example, while Transport and Straight Support are generally higher on "Defensive"-oriented contracts (Garrison, Cadre, Security, etc).  Seeing values higher than 60% in more than a single category is fairly rare; if you're holding out for an Independent But would like to grab something soon  Command + 100% Transport + >75% Salvage + >75% BLC mission, you're likely going to be waiting a *long* time.

Thanks for the reference point. I wasn’t looking for anything as high as the dream list at the end. The combination of mission type plus duration and numbers seemed pretty meh, but also wasn’t sure how much they could be negotiated.

I’d like Cadre at some point, though with Rob’s assessment, this isn’t a good one. If we’re keeping this one I’d lean towards SAFECRACKER as it’s short duration and if something goes wrong there’s still time to recover.

I’d be okay waiting one more month, but would like to grab something soon.

[deadlyfire2345]

I think one more month then force a contract anyway.
But if I had to choose now. Prob Safecracker or Waterfall. Which has more votes, I will leans towards.

[deadlyfire2345]

Looking at the schedule that was agreed upon. Aug 11th is the next game date. We should probably not dilly dally all that much. I am sure we are all anxious to have our unit to go back on the field.

[Timberwolfd]

Looking at the schedule that was agreed upon. Aug 11th is the next game date. We should probably not dilly dally all that much. I am sure we are all anxious to have our unit to go back on the field.

I will let us stay on planet up to August, but we WILL take a mission in August.

[Hat]

Looking at the schedule that was agreed upon. Aug 11th is the next game date. We should probably not dilly dally all that much. I am sure we are all anxious to have our unit to go back on the field.

I will let us stay on planet up to August, but we WILL take a mission in August.

Fair enough. For clarity, are you asking Rob to generate August contracts?

[Timberwolfd]

Looking at the schedule that was agreed upon. Aug 11th is the next game date. We should probably not dilly dally all that much. I am sure we are all anxious to have our unit to go back on the field.

I will let us stay on planet up to August, but we WILL take a mission in August.

Fair enough. For clarity, are you asking Rob to generate August contracts?

Not yet. I want to give everyone a chance to chime in. I am fine with WATERFALL personally, but I don't have any great need to take the mission.

[Ice]

Looking at the schedule that was agreed upon. Aug 11th is the next game date. We should probably not dilly dally all that much. I am sure we are all anxious to have our unit to go back on the field.

I will let us stay on planet up to August, but we WILL take a mission in August.

Fair enough. For clarity, are you asking Rob to generate August contracts?

Not yet. I want to give everyone a chance to chime in. I am fine with WATERFALL personally, but I don't have any great need to take the mission.

im actually not to impartial to waterfall now that we have some slightly better salvage although i hate the water world considering the most likely maps to be seen are archipelago maps as well as seaport/giant lake  maps i mean yeah there are chances for other maps considering its not 90 % water but id say we should expect some huge amounts of water via gm or maps itself

waiting is my other option considering the cadre mission has been pointed out as less than optimal situation

[Timberwolfd]

Looking at the schedule that was agreed upon. Aug 11th is the next game date. We should probably not dilly dally all that much. I am sure we are all anxious to have our unit to go back on the field.

I will let us stay on planet up to August, but we WILL take a mission in August.

Fair enough. For clarity, are you asking Rob to generate August contracts?

Not yet. I want to give everyone a chance to chime in. I am fine with WATERFALL personally, but I don't have any great need to take the mission.

im actually not to impartial to waterfall now that we have some slightly better salvage although i hate the water world considering the most likely maps to be seen are archipelago maps as well as seaport/giant lake  maps i mean yeah there are chances for other maps considering its not 90 % water but id say we should expect some huge amounts of water via gm or maps itself

waiting is my other option considering the cadre mission has been pointed out as less than optimal situation

The water both gives and takes away. If we breach locations they are considered destroyed for tabletop, but the repairs are easy. The breach rules will also improve our salvage a lot. You don't need to kick the leg off, just damage the armor and breach check. Or destroy the armor and flood it. On our repairs side of the fence, hull breach is a one hour, no roll repair by StratOps. So we can probably create more raw salvage to take 40% of than we would normally.

[deadlyfire2345]

Looking at the schedule that was agreed upon. Aug 11th is the next game date. We should probably not dilly dally all that much. I am sure we are all anxious to have our unit to go back on the field.

I will let us stay on planet up to August, but we WILL take a mission in August.

Fair enough. For clarity, are you asking Rob to generate August contracts?

Not yet. I want to give everyone a chance to chime in. I am fine with WATERFALL personally, but I don't have any great need to take the mission.

im actually not to impartial to waterfall now that we have some slightly better salvage although i hate the water world considering the most likely maps to be seen are archipelago maps as well as seaport/giant lake  maps i mean yeah there are chances for other maps considering its not 90 % water but id say we should expect some huge amounts of water via gm or maps itself

waiting is my other option considering the cadre mission has been pointed out as less than optimal situation

The water both gives and takes away. If we breach locations they are considered destroyed for tabletop, but the repairs are easy. The breach rules will also improve our salvage a lot. You don't need to kick the leg off, just damage the armor and breach check. Or destroy the armor and flood it. On our repairs side of the fence, hull breach is a one hour, no roll repair by StratOps. So we can probably create more raw salvage to take 40% of than we would normally.

You make it sound like we will potentially get every bit of salvage. Although would make sense. Might be worth the try.

Edit: Pulled text out of quote boxes. Scroll to the bottom before adding text!

[Timberwolfd]

I am not saying we get all of the salvage, I am saying the salvaged pool of mechs/units could be much larger than previously due to breach kills rather than damage kills. We then get 40% of the salvage. The overall effect is more slavaged units than 40% would indicate on first blush.

[deadlyfire2345]

Thats what I meant. I know we would not get it all, just sounds like we can get the most out of it.